Why Dean is killing the Democratic party-List.

by donkeykong, Sat Jun 11, 2005 at 02:43:07 PM EST

I want to express to you why I don't like Deanism and am completely against the unDemocratic wing of the Democratic party and its leader "the good doctor" Howard Dean

  1.  Deanism is about a very vocal minority in the Democratic party trying to wrestle control from the majority and move the party left.  Lets be honest about this, majority movements WIN elections.  Dean didn't.  No excuses, no conspiracy.  No the masses are stupid and I am smarter than them BS.  Dean didn't win because he doesn't represent the majority of the democratic party.  The Kerries and the Edwards do.  Face the facts.  If the party structure allows a minority to over rule the majority then we are not DEMOCRATIC.  Dean is the unDemocratic wing leader.

  2.  Dean reminds non-Dean supporters of a cult.  "the good doctor" would freak you out if you heard a religious organization use it to refer to their leader.  It honestly freaks out those who haven't drank the Dean kool-aid.

  3.  Deaniacs is an all too accurate title.  Dean supporters jump all up and down when ever anything negative about Dean is mentioned by anyone.  Clinton supporters don't do this, or any other Democratic leader's supporters.  

  4.  Dean supporters don't play team ball.  Their motivation is to destroy the Dem candidates to the right of Dean, one by one.  Obama said Dean made a mistake?  Well Obama sucks....blah blah blah etc.  If they worked for the GOP they would not have a greater negative effect.

  5.  Dean despite having some very good qualities is not very good at politics.  Christianity as a wedge issue is beyond stupid for us.  For the GOP sure 87% of them and 57% of us are christian so they want to be GOD's OFFICIAL PARTY.  If we were smart we would be fighting to be GOD's party because thats where the votes are.  There are no votes in saying they are God's party....again Deanism is benifiting the GOP

  6.  Dean is crying wolf.  When you say Republican's don't have honest jobs its like saying Democrats are on welfare.  There may be more lazy rich republicans (there may not as there are a lot of dems like this too) or dems on welfare (again this may not be so either as many republicans in poor states are on state welfare and my cali pays a lot more than it gets so we dems are paying for some red state welfare)    but in general people know a lot of republicans and a lot of democrats and in their own personal experience they know that republicans in general work as hard as democrats in general.  They even notice that we have political families that had cushie lives just like goppies do.

  7.  The scream.  Like it or not that is a career killer and will haunt the party for as long as dean is in leadership.  Not because it is a scream, it wouldn't hurt Bill Clinton.  Its because it really does express a characteristic of Dean that the majority is uncomfertable with.  And by uncomfertable I mean they don't want that and will fight to not have it uncomfertable so don't talk about well they can just get comfertable.  When the majority doesn't feel someone in a Democracy then that someone and all who are tied to that someone are politically dead.

I know many of you think that all the people who didn't vote for Dean in the primary are ignorant or GOP lite or were bought off by money or were afraid of losing to Bush or whatever it is you tell yourself to not listen to others in your party.  But the majority of our party are not represented by Dean.  The longer this goes on the more we risk losing those people to the GOP.




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R.I.P. Democratic Party (3.00 / 2)

If Howard Dean is not welcome in the Democratic party, who needs it? Good ridence to bad rubbish.
by Gary Boatwright on Sat Jun 11, 2005 at 02:52:53 PM EST

wow (3.00 / 3)

wow.. how absurd.

  1. To suggest that Dean is pushing the party left is to put it mildly, just dumb. Dean believes in balanced budgets and gun ownership rights. Dean allowed civil unions only after a court order. Dean was dispised by environmentalists and gay-rights groups in Vermont for being extremely conservative. If this is the face of the left then i must be in some inverted  parallel galaxy.

  2. too much like  a cult? i dont know what to say. Dean left DFA for the DNC and DFA is still rather sucessfull without him. Strange for a cult of personality eh? Oh and all those people who worked for Kerry in the election after Dean lost, you probably thought they'd go home.

  3. You're right. As our leader are under attack we should just bend over and take it. COME ON! We're in two wars with people dying , our civil liberties are under attack, and our economy is being battered and you complain that we're actually standing up and not taking the bitching. Kerry tried that and look what happened to him. Sorry, i just don't buy it.

  4. I think this is the FUNNIEST thing i've heard all day.  You just called Barack Obama to the right of Dean. I love it.

In fact, i love it so much that i'm done. There's no point.

Peace

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by peacenik23 on Sat Jun 11, 2005 at 02:54:33 PM EST

Howard Dean is a Rockefeller Republican (none / 0)

That's the way he governed Vermont. Calling Howard Dean a liberal is just like calling Richard Nixon a liberal. I even heard the wingnuts accusing Nixon of being a socialist on the Larry Elder show last year.

Thank God for Air America. Maybe America can return to sanity now that there is an alternative to wingnut ideological pollution on the air waves.

by Gary Boatwright on Sun Jun 12, 2005 at 02:15:12 AM EST
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Why Dean Lost (3.00 / 3)

Dean lost because he scared the living shit out of the establishment, and they got an opportunity when they took th 'scream' out of context and played it over and over and over again at uniquely critical juncture.

Kerry and Edwards don't represent the majority of the democratic party.  I live in friggin' Oklahoma, and pretty much every Democrat I know thought Kerry was a douchebag, but they would vote for him over the MONKEY WITH A RAZOR.

Sorry but your list is just all BS.  Bottom line... Dean does represnt the majority of Democrats, and even Americans.  War in Iraq... hmmm... check the polls, dude, America agrees w/ Dean.  Healthcare most Americans and even G-frinngin-M agrees that this is a major crisis, along the same lines...

As far as the "God's Official Party"... umm... well that's just kinda idiotic.  When you start going for that, you just sound like a hypocite.

Dean supportes DO play team ball... but when you jump off the team, guess what... you're fair game.  Just like any other sport, it's us against them.  Look at how Deaniacs have rallied around him.  if that's not team ball, what is?  Of wait... Kerry and Edwards holding hands... well, I think most of us would pass of empty gestures and stick to team ball with a goal...

McCain sucks!
by teknofyl on Sat Jun 11, 2005 at 02:59:59 PM EST

It's people doing the Republicans (3.00 / 1)

dirty work for them that are... oh never mind.
The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Sat Jun 11, 2005 at 04:55:01 PM EST

Yawn (none / 0)

Is this really the best that the Mighty Wurlitzer and its enablers can do? Gee, what a colossal waste of right wingnut billionaires' money.

On second thought, how do the rest of us get a piece of the action...?

543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Sat Jun 11, 2005 at 05:23:56 PM EST

whatever (1.00 / 1)

first of all, learn to spell.  You said "uncomfertable" a couple of times.  Second, Dean says what he stands for and isn't afraid of the republicans and the MSM.
Max Friedman
by Max Friedman on Sat Jun 11, 2005 at 07:36:57 PM EST

Attacking typos is bad form (none / 0)

I don't like posts criticising typos at all. I really blow up at people who put them up when they disagree with me, so it's only fair that I stick to the same rule even when I agree with the rest of the post.

Two things in posts will always get a zap from me. ALL CAPS POSTS and posts that attack people's typos.

by afs on Sun Jun 12, 2005 at 11:52:57 AM EST
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Re: Attacking typos is bad form (none / 0)

I'm sorry, maybe it was a bit over the top, but I didn't like the post, so I was in a bad mood.
Max Friedman
by Max Friedman on Sun Jun 12, 2005 at 07:38:16 PM EST
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I more than empathise with getting angry. (none / 0)

I certainly understand how that can happen. Happens to me ALL the time.

Just aim the anger at the dumb ideas being communicated instead. Makes your case stronger.

by afs on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 01:28:32 PM EST
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pot, kettle and organized minorities (3.00 / 1)

Some of Dean's biggest critics are Israel-firsters.

Talk about having an organized minority set the agenda for the whole Dem Party.

Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Sat Jun 11, 2005 at 08:00:08 PM EST

Man, you Deaniacs are hilarious (1.00 / 1)

It's like you are rally behind him for the same reason the religious zealots rallied behind Bush: You see a common enemy and he's the only show in town.
If Dean is so anti-gay and a conservative, why are all the liberals in love with him?

And while you're at it, when was the last time we had a real liberal in the white house
?

by Bruticus on Sat Jun 11, 2005 at 11:34:20 PM EST

The heart & soul of the Democratic party (none / 0)

Deaniacs are the heart and soul of the Democratic party and the future of the Democratic party. The DLC is the fossilized record of Democratic failure.

And while you're at it, when was the last time we had a real liberal in the white house?

Who cares? You and LL have a real fixation on that question. I guess you didn't get the Bush talking point that 9/11 changed everything. Oh well.

Dean governed Vermont as a classic Rockefeller Republican. He is not a liberal unless you compare him to George Bush or Ghengis Khan.

by Gary Boatwright on Sun Jun 12, 2005 at 02:21:00 AM EST
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Re: Man, you Deaniacs are hilarious (none / 0)

How is Dean anti-gay?  He's conservative in a certain sense of the word... that doesn't preclude liberals or anyone else from loving him.

you're hilarious... so... you have like two boxes and you try to squezze everyone into each one... good luck with that...

McCain sucks!
by teknofyl on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 06:39:31 PM EST
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